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[ MUSIC PLAYING ] >>> WE ARE WATCHING THE VOTE >>> WE ARE WATCHING THE VOTE COME IN HERE AT DEMOCRACY PLAZA, COME IN HERE AT DEMOCRACY PLAZA, NBC HEADQUARTERS IN NEW YORK NBC HEADQUARTERS IN NEW YORK

JOINING US NOW LINDSEY GRAHAM OF JOINING US NOW LINDSEY GRAHAM OF SOUTH CAROLINA SOUTH CAROLINA OF COURSE, LINDSEY GRAHAM NOT ON OF COURSE, LINDSEY GRAHAM NOT ON THE BALLOT TONIGHT, HAPPY TO THE BALLOT TONIGHT, HAPPY TO SHARE SOME TIME WITH US SHARE SOME TIME WITH US SENATOR, YOU GOT ONE NEW SENATOR, YOU GOT ONE NEW REPUBLICAN COMING TO THE SENATE REPUBLICAN COMING TO THE SENATE FROM INDIANA

FROM INDIANA YOU GOT A HOLD IN TENNESSEE YOU GOT A HOLD IN TENNESSEE DO YOU FEEL LIKE THIS IS A DO YOU FEEL LIKE THIS IS A VINDICATION OF PRESIDENT TRUMP’S VINDICATION OF PRESIDENT TRUMP’S STRATEGY, PARTICULARLY ON THE STRATEGY, PARTICULARLY ON THE ISSUE OF IMMIGRATION AND SAYING ISSUE OF IMMIGRATION AND SAYING THAT THERE WAS A CARAVAN ABOUT THAT THERE WAS A CARAVAN ABOUT TO INVADE THE UNITED STATES AND TO INVADE THE UNITED STATES AND YOU KNOW THAT KIND OF RHETORIC, YOU KNOW THAT KIND OF RHETORIC, DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU ARE GIVING DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU ARE GIVING HIM CREDIT FOR DRUMMING UP THE HIM CREDIT FOR DRUMMING UP THE VOTE FOR REPUBLICANS? VOTE FOR REPUBLICANS? >> I THINK THERE’S THREE THINGS >> I THINK THERE’S THREE THINGS

I THINK THE KAVANAUGH EFFECT WAS I THINK THE KAVANAUGH EFFECT WAS REAL REAL UNITED REPUBLICANS UNITED REPUBLICANS I NEVER SEEN ANYTHING IN MY LIFE I NEVER SEEN ANYTHING IN MY LIFE TO BRING THE REPUBLICAN PARTY TO BRING THE REPUBLICAN PARTY TOGETHER MORE THAN KAVANAUGH TOGETHER MORE THAN KAVANAUGH HEARING

HEARING I THINK THE CARAVAN WAS A I THINK THE CARAVAN WAS A NIGHTMARE AND THE GROWING NIGHTMARE AND THE GROWING ECONOMY ECONOMY WE WERE DEALT A GOOD HAND WE WERE DEALT A GOOD HAND

WHAT DOES THIS MEAN? WHAT DOES THIS MEAN? THE CONSERVATIVE JUDICIAL TRAIN THE CONSERVATIVE JUDICIAL TRAIN WILL KEEP RUNNING IF WE HOLD THE WILL KEEP RUNNING IF WE HOLD THE SENATE SENATE I THINK WE L BUT I THINK THOSE I THINK WE L BUT I THINK THOSE THREE THINGS WERE NIGHTMARE FOR THREE THINGS WERE NIGHTMARE FOR TRUMP STATE DEMOCRATS, KAVANAUGH TRUMP STATE DEMOCRATS, KAVANAUGH THE CARAVAN AND THE ECONOMY

THE CARAVAN AND THE ECONOMY >> SENATOR HAVE YOU SEEN >> SENATOR HAVE YOU SEEN ANYTHING SO FAR TONIGHT THAT ANYTHING SO FAR TONIGHT THAT WILL DISSUADE YOU THAT DEMOCRATS WILL DISSUADE YOU THAT DEMOCRATS WILL LIKELY TAKE THE HOUSE AT WILL LIKELY TAKE THE HOUSE AT SOME POINT TONIGHT? SOME POINT TONIGHT? >> NO I THINK YOU ARE GOING TO >> NO I THINK YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE WHAT PEOPLE THOUGHT, HAVE WHAT PEOPLE THOUGHT, PROBABLY YOU KNOW A SMALL PROBABLY YOU KNOW A SMALL MAJORITY IN THE HOUSE MAJORITY IN THE HOUSE I THINK WE’LL PICK UP THREE OR I THINK WE’LL PICK UP THREE OR FOUR SEATS FOUR SEATS

I DON’T KNOW WHAT’S GOING ON IN I DON’T KNOW WHAT’S GOING ON IN TEXAS TEXAS C’MON, TED SCLNL! C’MON, TED SCLNL! BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY I BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY I THINK WE WILL HAVE A DEMOCRATIC THINK WE WILL HAVE A DEMOCRATIC HOUSE AND A MAJORITY IN THE HOUSE AND A MAJORITY IN THE SENATE SENATE IT WILL BE A TIME FOR THE IT WILL BE A TIME FOR THE PRESIDENT AND US TO FIND A WAY PRESIDENT AND US TO FIND A WAY FORWARD, IMMIGRATION AND PRISON FORWARD, IMMIGRATION AND PRISON SENTENCING REFORM ARE ALL SENTENCING REFORM ARE ALL POSSIBLE WITH A DIVIDED POSSIBLE WITH A DIVIDED GOVERNMENT

GOVERNMENT >> ARE YOU WORRIED ABOUT TED >> ARE YOU WORRIED ABOUT TED CRUZ? CRUZ? >> I’M NOT WORRIED >> I’M NOT WORRIED I’M CERTAIN CONCERNED I’M CERTAIN CONCERNED

O’ROURKE IS DOING A HECK HOFF A O’ROURKE IS DOING A HECK HOFF A JOB THE SOCIALISM THING ISN’T JOB THE SOCIALISM THING ISN’T WORKING IN FLORIDA, BUT IT’S WORKING IN FLORIDA, BUT IT’S WORKING IN TEXAS WORKING IN TEXAS GO FIGURE GO FIGURE >> THE STATE IS TOO EARLY TO >> THE STATE IS TOO EARLY TO CALL

CALL BUT — BUT — >> YEAH, IT’S TOO EARLY >> YEAH, IT’S TOO EARLY BUT SOCIALISM IS BIGGER THAN BUT SOCIALISM IS BIGGER THAN TEXAS THAN I THOUGHT IT WOULD TEXAS THAN I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE BE

>> I GOT TO ASK YOU ABOUT >> I GOT TO ASK YOU ABOUT ATTORNEY GENERAL JEFF SESSIONS ATTORNEY GENERAL JEFF SESSIONS A LOT OF FOLKS THINK THE A LOT OF FOLKS THINK THE PRESIDENT WHO HAS MADE NO SECRET PRESIDENT WHO HAS MADE NO SECRET OF HIS DISPLEASURE WITH HIS OWN OF HIS DISPLEASURE WITH HIS OWN ATTORNEY GENERAL ATTORNEY GENERAL A LOT OF PEOPLE AND I PUT YOU IN A LOT OF PEOPLE AND I PUT YOU IN THIS CATEGORY BASICALLY SAID THIS CATEGORY BASICALLY SAID SESSIONS IS LIKELY GONE AFTER SESSIONS IS LIKELY GONE AFTER THE MID-TERMS

THE MID-TERMS DO YOU STILL BELIEVE THAT TO BE DO YOU STILL BELIEVE THAT TO BE THE CASE? THE CASE? >> AH, I THINK JEFF WILL STEP >> AH, I THINK JEFF WILL STEP ASIDE AFTER THE MID-TERM AND THE ASIDE AFTER THE MID-TERM AND THE PRESIDENT WILL NOMINATE PRESIDENT WILL NOMINATE SOMEBODY — SOMEBODY — >> RESIGN OR BE FIRED? >> RESIGN OR BE FIRED? >> I LIKE JEFF BUT IT’S CLEARLY >> I LIKE JEFF BUT IT’S CLEARLY — WELL, WE’LL SEE — WELL, WE’LL SEE BUT EVERY PRESIDENT DESERVES AN BUT EVERY PRESIDENT DESERVES AN ATTORNEY GENERAL THEY HAVE ATTORNEY GENERAL THEY HAVE CONFIDENCE IN CONFIDENCE IN

I LIKE JEFF SESSIONS BUT THIS IS I LIKE JEFF SESSIONS BUT THIS IS JUST NOT WORKING JUST NOT WORKING SO IF WE HOLD THE SENATE, I SO IF WE HOLD THE SENATE, I THINK YOU WILL PROBABLY SEE A THINK YOU WILL PROBABLY SEE A NEW ATTORNEY GENERAL SOMETIME NEW ATTORNEY GENERAL SOMETIME NEXT YEAR NEXT YEAR >> SENATOR GRAHAM, CHUCK TODD >> SENATOR GRAHAM, CHUCK TODD HERE

HERE I’M CURIOUS I’M CURIOUS >> HI CHUCK >> HI CHUCK

>> YOU WERE THE GANG OF EIGHT >> YOU WERE THE GANG OF EIGHT BACK AT A TIME, I BELIEVE YOU BACK AT A TIME, I BELIEVE YOU STILL ARE STILL ARE >> YEAH >> YEAH >> BUT I’M CURIOUS NOW, ON >> BUT I’M CURIOUS NOW, ON IMMIGRATION REFORM, DO YOU THINK IMMIGRATION REFORM, DO YOU THINK THAT THINGS HAVE GOTTEN HARDER THAT THINGS HAVE GOTTEN HARDER NOW TO FIGURE OUT THIS NOW TO FIGURE OUT THIS COMPROMISE ON IMMIGRATION? COMPROMISE ON IMMIGRATION? IT LOOKS TO ME THAT WAY WHEN YOU IT LOOKS TO ME THAT WAY WHEN YOU SEE HOW POLARIZED THE PUBLIC SEE HOW POLARIZED THE PUBLIC SEALS TO BE ON THE ISSUE

SEALS TO BE ON THE ISSUE >> YEAH >> YEAH RIGHT RIGHT

WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, 77% OF WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, 77% OF THE PUBLIC BELIEVES THE DACA THE PUBLIC BELIEVES THE DACA RECIPIENTS SHOULD YOU KNOW IT RECIPIENTS SHOULD YOU KNOW IT WAS EXECUTIVE OVER-REACH WAS EXECUTIVE OVER-REACH BUT 70% OF REPUBLICANS BELIEVE BUT 70% OF REPUBLICANS BELIEVE THE DACA ELIGIBLE RECIPIENT THE DACA ELIGIBLE RECIPIENT SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO STAY IN THE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO STAY IN THE COUNTRY BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO COUNTRY BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO PLACE TO GO PLACE TO GO 70% OF THE COUNTRY WANTS BETTER 70% OF THE COUNTRY WANTS BETTER BORDER SECURITY

BORDER SECURITY THAT’S A GOOD PLACE TO START THE THAT’S A GOOD PLACE TO START THE ONE THING I CAN SAY, CHUCK, YOU ONE THING I CAN SAY, CHUCK, YOU ARE SMART ABOUT THIS ARE SMART ABOUT THIS WE WERE DEALT A GOOD HAND IN THE WE WERE DEALT A GOOD HAND IN THE SENATE SENATE

I THINK WE PLAYED IT WELL THE I THINK WE PLAYED IT WELL THE DEMOCRATS WERE DEALT A GOOD HAND DEMOCRATS WERE DEALT A GOOD HAND IN THE HOUSE IN THE HOUSE IT LOOKS LIKE THEY WILL WIN THE IT LOOKS LIKE THEY WILL WIN THE WALL FOR DACA IS A GOOD PLACE TO WALL FOR DACA IS A GOOD PLACE TO START START TO THINK WE CAN’T SOLVE PROBLEMS TO THINK WE CAN’T SOLVE PROBLEMS WITH THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE IS WITH THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE IS A MISTAKE

A MISTAKE >> DO YOU THINK THE PRESIDENT >> DO YOU THINK THE PRESIDENT ENDED THAT DEAL IN ENDED THAT DEAL IN >> I DON’T KNOW >> I DON’T KNOW

BUT I’LL TELL YOU THIS, THE BUT I’LL TELL YOU THIS, THE PRESIDENT WILL BE ON THE BALLOT PRESIDENT WILL BE ON THE BALLOT IN 2020 IN 2020 I THINK HE HELPED US A LOT IN I THINK HE HELPED US A LOT IN THE SENATE THE SENATE BUT WE HAVE TO DELIVER PRISON BUT WE HAVE TO DELIVER PRISON REFORM AND SENTENCE REFORM WILL REFORM AND SENTENCE REFORM WILL GET THROUGH BOTH BODIES, A DOWN GET THROUGH BOTH BODIES, A DOWN PAYMENT ON COMPREHENSIVE REFORM PAYMENT ON COMPREHENSIVE REFORM AND DACA AND THE WALL AND AN AND DACA AND THE WALL AND AN INFRASTRUCTURE REFORM, I THINK INFRASTRUCTURE REFORM, I THINK DEMOCRATS IN THE HOUSE WILL BE DEMOCRATS IN THE HOUSE WILL BE RECEPTIVE TO THAT

RECEPTIVE TO THAT IT’S UP TO THE PRESIDENT AND ALL IT’S UP TO THE PRESIDENT AND ALL OF US, IF THEY WANT TO IMPEACH OF US, IF THEY WANT TO IMPEACH THEM IT WON’T GO VERY FAR THEM IT WON’T GO VERY FAR IF THEY’RE READY TO WORK WITH IF THEY’RE READY TO WORK WITH HIM AND HE SAYS NO, HE’LL HAVE A HIM AND HE SAYS NO, HE’LL HAVE A PROBLEM PROBLEM

>> WE HAVE TO JUMP, BY THE WAY, >> WE HAVE TO JUMP, BY THE WAY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE ATTORNEY WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE ATTORNEY GENERAL? GENERAL? IF ASKED, WOULD YOU SERVE? IF ASKED, WOULD YOU SERVE? >> NO NO NO THANK YOU VERY MUCH >> NO NO NO THANK YOU VERY MUCH >> WE’LL LEAVE IT THERE, SENATOR >> WE’LL LEAVE IT THERE, SENATOR LINDSEY GRAHAM, SOUTH CAROLINA LINDSEY GRAHAM, SOUTH CAROLINA THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME APPRECIATE IT APPRECIATE IT >> YOU KNOW, I HAVE BEEN TOLD >> YOU KNOW, I HAVE BEEN TOLD PRETTY AUTHORITATIVELY JEFF PRETTY AUTHORITATIVELY JEFF SESSIONS IS GOING TO QUIT BEFORE SESSIONS IS GOING TO QUIT BEFORE HE IS FIRED HE IS FIRED

>> THAT THAT IS IN PLAY AND ALSO >> THAT THAT IS IN PLAY AND ALSO FROM PEOPLE VERY CLOSE TO THE FROM PEOPLE VERY CLOSE TO THE SITUATION, THERE WILL BE A SITUATION, THERE WILL BE A WHOLESALE SHAKEUP WHOLESALE SHAKEUP THAT’S BEEN CERTAINLY PROJECTED THAT’S BEEN CERTAINLY PROJECTED WE SEEN THAT COMING

WE SEEN THAT COMING IT WILL GO BEYOND JEFF SESSIONS IT WILL GO BEYOND JEFF SESSIONS WE DON’T KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN WE DON’T KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN WITH JIM MATTIS, THE DEFENSE WITH JIM MATTIS, THE DEFENSE SECRETARY HAS LOST FAVOR WITH SECRETARY HAS LOST FAVOR WITH THE PRESIDENT THE PRESIDENT

HE IS NOT IN FAVOR WITH JOHN HE IS NOT IN FAVOR WITH JOHN BOLTON, YOU KNOW THE NATIONAL BOLTON, YOU KNOW THE NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER SECURITY ADVISER THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF POISONING OF THE WELL IF YOU POISONING OF THE WELL IF YOU WILL FROM PEOPLE INSIDE THE WILL FROM PEOPLE INSIDE THE WHITE HOUSE AGAINST JIM MATTIS WHITE HOUSE AGAINST JIM MATTIS MATTIS IS NOT ONE TO QUIT, NOT MATTIS IS NOT ONE TO QUIT, NOT ONE TO WALK AWAY

ONE TO WALK AWAY BUT HE’S BEEN REALLY BUT HE’S BEEN REALLY MARGINALIZED IN THAT HE WAS MARGINALIZED IN THAT HE WAS AGAINST — WELL A LOT OF PEOPLE AGAINST — WELL A LOT OF PEOPLE BELIEVE HE WAS AGAINST THIS BELIEVE HE WAS AGAINST THIS BORDER DEPLOYMENT AND HASN’T BORDER DEPLOYMENT AND HASN’T SPOKEN UP SPOKEN UP >> TALK ABOUT SESSIONS, THOUGH, >> TALK ABOUT SESSIONS, THOUGH, IF YOU REMOVE HIM FROM THE IF YOU REMOVE HIM FROM THE EQUATION, WHERE DO WE GO WITH EQUATION, WHERE DO WE GO WITH THE MUELLER INVESTIGATION? THE MUELLER INVESTIGATION? >> THAT IS A BIG QUESTION, >> THAT IS A BIG QUESTION, WITHOUT SESSIONS YOU DO NOT HAVE WITHOUT SESSIONS YOU DO NOT HAVE A RECUSE ATTORNEY GENERAL A RECUSE ATTORNEY GENERAL

YOU CAN HAVE AN ACTING ATTORNEY YOU CAN HAVE AN ACTING ATTORNEY GENERAL WHO WOULD NOT BE RECUSE GENERAL WHO WOULD NOT BE RECUSE >> THAT WOULD MEAN ROD >> THAT WOULD MEAN ROD ROSENSTEIN WOULD NOT BE IN ROSENSTEIN WOULD NOT BE IN CHARGE CHARGE >> SINCE THEY’RE HOLDING THE >> SINCE THEY’RE HOLDING THE SENATE, THEY DON’T HAVE TO WORRY SENATE, THEY DON’T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE CONFIRMATIONS

ABOUT THE CONFIRMATIONS >> AND THE FIT POLLEXIT POLL MOR >> AND THE FIT POLLEXIT POLL MOR PEOPLE DISAPPROVE