Are Trump’s critics refusing to believe border facts?

JILLIAN: WALK BACK TO FOX ENTRANCE FIRST THE MEDIA REFUSING TO TAKE THE PRESIDENT'S CASE FOR BORDER WALL AS FACT

>> THE BIG SCAM OF THE WHOLE ADDRESS IS THERE'S A CRISIS THERE IS NOT A CRISIS IT SEEMS THERE IS A CONCERTED EFFORT TO POOL ONE OVER ON THE AMERICAN PUBLIC TO MAKE IT SEEM LIKE WHAT IS HAPPENING AT THE SOUTHERN BORDER IS SO MUCH WORSE THAN IT IS >> IT IS DOWNRIGHT LIES TO MAKE A POLITICAL POINT JILLIAN: STATISTICS SHOW CRIMES HAVE INCREASED SINCE 2010

IS THE LIBERAL MEDIA CHOOSING TO IGNORE THE NUMBERS? HERE TO DEBATE THAT IS KATRINA PEARSON, SENIOR ADVISOR TO THE TOP 2020 CAMPAIGN AND DEMOCRATIC POLITICAL ANALYST, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE LET'S GET TO THIS POLL FROM POLITICO THIS SHOWS 42% OF PEOPLE DO BELIEVE THIS IS A CRISIS, 37% SAY IT IS NOT A CRISIS BUT IS A PROBLEM AND THE REST OF THE NUMBERS WHAT SAY YOU, JASON? >> WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT WHAT A CRISIS IS WHEN YOU THINK IN THE YEAR 2000 WE HAD 1

6 MILLION PEOPLE APPREHENDED AT THE BORDER IN FISCAL YEAR 2017, DOWN 300,000, AT A 45 YEAR LOW IT IS NOT A CRISIS, IT IS SOMETHING BEING MANUFACTURED AND WITHHOLDING PEOPLE'S PAYCHECKS, 250,000 VETERANS ARE GOING TO MISS A PAYCHECK AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT LEADS TO SUICIDE AMONG VETERANS IS FINANCIAL INSTABILITY >> IN 2018, I WILL NOT ARGUE THAT POINT WHAT I WILL SAY 2017-18 THE ATTEMPTED BORDER CROSSINGS WENT UP 100,000 AND THE LAST FEW MONTHS SPECIFICALLY THEY'VE GONE UP FROM JULY THROUGH DECEMBER, 20,000, AN INCREASE NOW

>> THERE IS DEFINITELY AN INCREASE AND IF YOU LISTEN TO THE VICE PRESIDENT OF NATIONAL BORDER PATROL COUNCIL WHO GAVE AN INTERVIEW LAST NIGHT STATING DEMOCRATS ARE IGNORING THE LAST THREE MONTHS OF STATISTICS WHEN IT COMES TO ILLEGAL BORDER CROSSINGS THE LEFT HAS TO IGNORE THE FACTS BECAUSE OTHERWISE IT WILL DEFEAT THE NARRATIVE NOT EVEN TWO MONTHS AGO, DEMOCRATS INCLUDING HILLARY CLINTON HERSELF SAYING THIS IS A HUMANITARIAN CRISIS, THE MAYOR OF TIJUANA DECLARED AN EMERGENCY SAYING THERE WAS A HUMANITARIAN CRISIS PLEADING TO INTERNATIONAL SUPPORT AND HELP WITH THIS ISSUE AND DEMOCRATS BESIDE THEMSELVES, MIGRANTS TRYING TO GET INTO THE UNITED STATES WHO WERE UNDER CONDITIONS THAT WERE LESS UNSANITARY OF COURSE THERE'S A CRISIS ON THE BORDER

IT IS DISTURBING TO SEE HOW THE MEDIA IS IN LOCKSTEP WITH THIS NARRATIVE OF IGNORING THE FACTS AND CALLING THIS A MANUFACTURED CRISIS I DON'T BELIEVE THE GRIEF AND DESPAIR OF THESE FAMILIES MANUFACTURED GOING THROUGH THE HOLIDAYS WITHOUT THE LOVED ONES DUE TO THE ILLEGAL ALIENS — JILLIAN: PEOPLE HAVE A HARD TIME WITH THAT ARE MANUFACTURED CRISIS IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN A CRISIS, JUST HASN'T BEEN HANDLED COMPLETELY >> I WOULD AGREE WE NEED COMPREHENSIVE IMMIGRATION REFORM AND WE NEED SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO HELP A LOT OF PEOPLE I ALWAYS ARGUED THE CRISIS IS NOT AT THE BORDER BUT IN THE NORTHERN TRIANGLE OF CENTRAL AMERICA

WE NEED TO BRING PROSPERITY AND OPPORTUNITY TO THAT PART OF THE WORLD WHAT IS GOING ON ON THE BORDER, THE CASE KATRINA MENTIONED IS WHAT IS HAPPENING AT PORTS OF ENTRY AND THE MAJORITY OF DRUGS COME INTO THE COUNTRY COME THROUGH PORTS OF ENTRY AND AS A MATTER OF FACT JILLIAN: LET'S BE FAIR ABOUT THAT >> THEY BUILT TUNNELS UNDER FENCES

A FENCE WILL MAKE NO DIFFERENCE AS A MATTER-OF-FACT CONGRESSIONAL RESEARCH SERVICE, NONPARTISAN ORGANIZATION, THE FENCING AROUND THE SAN DIEGO HAD NO DISCERNIBLE IMPACT ON SMUGGLING AND COMPREHENSIVE IMMIGRATION REFORM WILL COME TO THE TABLE IF YOU CAN'T COME TO THE TABLE TO FIND — FUND THE GOVERNMENT AND PAY THE PEOPLE LIKE BORDER PATROL, TSA TO KEEP US SAFE AND MEMBERS OF THE MILITARY TALKING ABOUT COAST GUARD, WE HAVE A PROBLEM >> THE PRESIDENT TRIED A NUMBER OF TIMES TO COME TO THE TABLE AND DEMOCRATS WOULDN'T, THE PRESIDENT EVEN GAVE THEM MORE THAN BARACK OBAMA OFFERED DURING HIS TENURE IN OFFICE

DEMOCRATS WANT TO DO NOTHING AND THAT IS NOT SUFFICIENT AND EVEN ONE LIFE THAT IS TAKEN BY AN ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT IS ONE TOO MANY COMMON SENSE PREVAILS IN ALL THIS BECAUSE THERE WERE DEMOCRATS IN BLUE STATES WHO VOTED FOR DONALD TRUMP AND IMMIGRATION, ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION WAS A TOP PRIORITY BECAUSE THAT AFFECTS EVERY ASPECT OF OUR ECONOMY, HEALTHCARE SYSTEM, EDUCATION SYSTEM AND PEOPLE WHO ARE HURT THE WORST IN THIS COUNTRY BECAUSE OF IT ARE COMMUNITIES OF COLOR, THE LOW INCOME COMMUNITY BUT NO ONE TALKS ABOUT NANCY PELOSI AND WHITE LIBERALS WHO CONTINUE TO PERPETUATE THIS PROBLEM DON'T HAVE TO LIVE WITH WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THESE COMMUNITIES JILLIAN: I HATE TO INTERRUPT, WE ARE OUT OF TIME