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		<title>By: Madge Novy</title>
		<link>http://daveleejblog.com/2009/02/nuj-follow-up-im-still-not-convinced/comment-page-1/#comment-9176</link>
		<dc:creator>Madge Novy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2011 16:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Richard Volpi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Volpi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Jan 2011 13:30:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Donnacha DeLong</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donnacha DeLong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 17:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave (and anyone else working in new media), I&#039;d encourage you to join the New Media list run by the union - http://mailman.journonet.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/newmedia . It costs nothing to join and you don&#039;t have to be a member, but if you want to make these points to a group of people - many of whom would be sympathetic to your view, but are still members - and possibly make a difference, then please join.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Donnacha DeLong’s last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://donnachadelong.wordpress.com/2009/02/08/the-uk-media-in-crisis-corporatism-in-crisis-part-i/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The UK media in crisis (Corporatism in crisis Part I)&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave (and anyone else working in new media), I&#8217;d encourage you to join the New Media list run by the union &#8211; <a href="http://mailman.journonet.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/newmedia" rel="nofollow">http://mailman.journonet.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/newmedia</a> . It costs nothing to join and you don&#8217;t have to be a member, but if you want to make these points to a group of people &#8211; many of whom would be sympathetic to your view, but are still members &#8211; and possibly make a difference, then please join.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Donnacha DeLong’s last blog post..<a href="http://donnachadelong.wordpress.com/2009/02/08/the-uk-media-in-crisis-corporatism-in-crisis-part-i/" rel="nofollow">The UK media in crisis (Corporatism in crisis Part I)</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Rosie Niven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rosie Niven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 11:10:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A union is its members - not just officials. There are many active members up and down the country recruiting people and fighting people&#039;s corner (and that&#039;s not just about defending jobs). Many are doing this in their spare time and needless to say they are unpaid positions. Therefore when you say &quot;The NUJ&quot; is this and &quot;The NUJ&quot; is that, don&#039;t forget that you are talking about a huge organisation covering two countries and a number of different sectors. Members have started campaigns and influenced policy - you could do the same. The complaint about defending jobs at the expense of helping members adjust to change has been made before, indeed it&#039;s something the union here in Australia is grappling with at the moment. Perhaps the union should be giving more priority given to helping members adjust. I know there are members who feel the same way, maybe you should add your voice?

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Rosie Niven’s last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://rosieniven.wordpress.com/2009/02/11/inside-lonely-planet/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Inside Lonely Planet&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A union is its members &#8211; not just officials. There are many active members up and down the country recruiting people and fighting people&#8217;s corner (and that&#8217;s not just about defending jobs). Many are doing this in their spare time and needless to say they are unpaid positions. Therefore when you say &#8220;The NUJ&#8221; is this and &#8220;The NUJ&#8221; is that, don&#8217;t forget that you are talking about a huge organisation covering two countries and a number of different sectors. Members have started campaigns and influenced policy &#8211; you could do the same. The complaint about defending jobs at the expense of helping members adjust to change has been made before, indeed it&#8217;s something the union here in Australia is grappling with at the moment. Perhaps the union should be giving more priority given to helping members adjust. I know there are members who feel the same way, maybe you should add your voice?</p>
<p><abbr><em>Rosie Niven’s last blog post..<a href="http://rosieniven.wordpress.com/2009/02/11/inside-lonely-planet/" rel="nofollow">Inside Lonely Planet</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: TimGopsill</title>
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		<dc:creator>TimGopsill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 12:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave 

Believe me these arguments have been going on inside the NUJ for years - I&#039;m editor of the maligned magazine and we give as much of our very limited space to them as we can. That&#039;s the point of the union - everyone gets a say, and at the moment the demand on us from huge numbers of our 37,000-odd membership is to so something about the devastation of their jobs.

What you expect us to say? - sorry pals, you may pay us £13-20 a month to safeguard your livelihoods but you&#039;re just dinosaurs, go off and drown in the swamp. This is the hardest time for work that journalists have ever had, and we can barely keep up with that demand. Our officials are run off their feet. That might be why your emails weren&#039;t replied to, I don&#039;t know, but obviously I&#039;m sorry about that.

We can all see where the industry is going, and no-one is pretending that the newspaper print publishing model will survive. We are putting a lot of work into helping members adapt, with research projects, training programmes and joining the industry debate.

Enjoyed your rant at the Daily Mail. Here&#039;s a thing about the Mail: it&#039;s a non-union paper. No collective voice for journalists to check its loaded and ludicrous kind of reporting. If you think the FT, Guardian or Independent are better (if you can bear to read newspapers at all) - well they&#039;re very strong union offices. Spot the difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave </p>
<p>Believe me these arguments have been going on inside the NUJ for years &#8211; I&#8217;m editor of the maligned magazine and we give as much of our very limited space to them as we can. That&#8217;s the point of the union &#8211; everyone gets a say, and at the moment the demand on us from huge numbers of our 37,000-odd membership is to so something about the devastation of their jobs.</p>
<p>What you expect us to say? &#8211; sorry pals, you may pay us £13-20 a month to safeguard your livelihoods but you&#8217;re just dinosaurs, go off and drown in the swamp. This is the hardest time for work that journalists have ever had, and we can barely keep up with that demand. Our officials are run off their feet. That might be why your emails weren&#8217;t replied to, I don&#8217;t know, but obviously I&#8217;m sorry about that.</p>
<p>We can all see where the industry is going, and no-one is pretending that the newspaper print publishing model will survive. We are putting a lot of work into helping members adapt, with research projects, training programmes and joining the industry debate.</p>
<p>Enjoyed your rant at the Daily Mail. Here&#8217;s a thing about the Mail: it&#8217;s a non-union paper. No collective voice for journalists to check its loaded and ludicrous kind of reporting. If you think the FT, Guardian or Independent are better (if you can bear to read newspapers at all) &#8211; well they&#8217;re very strong union offices. Spot the difference.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Roberts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 18:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Certainly was a rant! I’m a recipient of the NUJ’s George Viner scholarship, so I can only see the organisation through wonderful rose-tinted specs. Maybe if you could redirect your fiery energy towards ITV and its burning-up of regional news, that would be far more appreciated. Good blog though!

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Scott Roberts’s last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://scottjsroberts.blogspot.com/2009/02/watched-last-ever-westcountry-live-this.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Westcountry Live (1993-2009)&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Certainly was a rant! I’m a recipient of the NUJ’s George Viner scholarship, so I can only see the organisation through wonderful rose-tinted specs. Maybe if you could redirect your fiery energy towards ITV and its burning-up of regional news, that would be far more appreciated. Good blog though!</p>
<p><abbr><em>Scott Roberts’s last blog post..<a href="http://scottjsroberts.blogspot.com/2009/02/watched-last-ever-westcountry-live-this.html" rel="nofollow">Westcountry Live (1993-2009)</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Martin Cloake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Cloake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 11:08:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a long-running argument in not just the NUJ but most unions about what the role of a union is. Is it just to &#039;defend&#039; positions, or is it to actively engage in order to ensure change is made for the best reasons - that is reasons which maintain employment conditions and rights while also improving the way we do our job. One reason I&#039;ve always liked the NUJ is that it is a political and professional organisation, able to address both sides of the debate. There was a time when the view that we should have nothing to do with engagement because that was &#039;management&#039;s job&#039; have, thankfully gone - enabling the NUJ to be more than just a force for oppositionism.

Of course, there are still people within the union who think we have no business &#039;engaging&#039;, so those of us who disagree need to be inside to argue the point and maintain the right approach. I think journalists, like all working people, need to be more involved in the process of how the work they do is carried out. The problem is, most employers don&#039;t. Which is why we need a union to argue the case, and to ensure that - for example - emerging technologies are used not to cut jobs and lower wages, but to enable us to work in better ways and to develop the craft.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a long-running argument in not just the NUJ but most unions about what the role of a union is. Is it just to &#8216;defend&#8217; positions, or is it to actively engage in order to ensure change is made for the best reasons &#8211; that is reasons which maintain employment conditions and rights while also improving the way we do our job. One reason I&#8217;ve always liked the NUJ is that it is a political and professional organisation, able to address both sides of the debate. There was a time when the view that we should have nothing to do with engagement because that was &#8216;management&#8217;s job&#8217; have, thankfully gone &#8211; enabling the NUJ to be more than just a force for oppositionism.</p>
<p>Of course, there are still people within the union who think we have no business &#8216;engaging&#8217;, so those of us who disagree need to be inside to argue the point and maintain the right approach. I think journalists, like all working people, need to be more involved in the process of how the work they do is carried out. The problem is, most employers don&#8217;t. Which is why we need a union to argue the case, and to ensure that &#8211; for example &#8211; emerging technologies are used not to cut jobs and lower wages, but to enable us to work in better ways and to develop the craft.</p>
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		<title>By: 'Chris'</title>
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		<dc:creator>'Chris'</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 22:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t come across much pomposity, and I&#039;m generally easily put off by that sort of thing.

The union has two key roles - one, to fight collectively for jobs and conditions for all staff (members and non-members alike. So you get to feel &quot;safer&quot; for free).

In fact, if you are currently being paid UPA then you have at least £2k a year to thank the NUJ for, as the BBC was determined to scrap it last year.

Two, to look after and help protect individuals who find themselves threatened with losing their job, or conditions, or otherwise maltreated in the work place.

I&#039;m guessing there are very few people who would agree with all NUJ policies and decisions (even union officials), but you still have that individual protection by being a member. And if you disagree with the policies strongly enough, you can make your voice heard.

I don&#039;t share your feeling of safety - but that comes of 10 years of battle scars I suppose ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t come across much pomposity, and I&#8217;m generally easily put off by that sort of thing.</p>
<p>The union has two key roles &#8211; one, to fight collectively for jobs and conditions for all staff (members and non-members alike. So you get to feel &#8220;safer&#8221; for free).</p>
<p>In fact, if you are currently being paid UPA then you have at least £2k a year to thank the NUJ for, as the BBC was determined to scrap it last year.</p>
<p>Two, to look after and help protect individuals who find themselves threatened with losing their job, or conditions, or otherwise maltreated in the work place.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m guessing there are very few people who would agree with all NUJ policies and decisions (even union officials), but you still have that individual protection by being a member. And if you disagree with the policies strongly enough, you can make your voice heard.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t share your feeling of safety &#8211; but that comes of 10 years of battle scars I suppose <img src='http://daveleejblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 20:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two good posts on unions, and I also feel that I don&#039;t get much from the NUJ.

At the same time, it&#039;d be nice to know how I could become more involved, more aware of what they do, and do my bit.

Anyone got any ideas how I could do that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two good posts on unions, and I also feel that I don&#8217;t get much from the NUJ.</p>
<p>At the same time, it&#8217;d be nice to know how I could become more involved, more aware of what they do, and do my bit.</p>
<p>Anyone got any ideas how I could do that?</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 20:17:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Chris,

I realise the BBC isn&#039;t safe, but it is certainly safer. My own contract is up fairly soon -- before the summer -- so I&#039;m more than aware of the realities in the workplace.

I think my main point is that the NUJ should be a union for ALL journalists. By having a pompous attitude, they are failing to do that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Chris,</p>
<p>I realise the BBC isn&#8217;t safe, but it is certainly safer. My own contract is up fairly soon &#8212; before the summer &#8212; so I&#8217;m more than aware of the realities in the workplace.</p>
<p>I think my main point is that the NUJ should be a union for ALL journalists. By having a pompous attitude, they are failing to do that.</p>
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